Authentication-Results: 005.lax.mailroute.net (mroute_mailscanner); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com From: Lucio De Re Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2018 07:17:51 +0200 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] What are you using Plan 9 for? Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Sender: 9fans-bounces@9fans.net Errors-To: 9fans-bounces@9fans.net My most current frustration (a bit off topic) is Skype's keystroke echo latency, whatever the cause. I can't cope with it, yet I have to use it for employment reasons. It reminds me that upas with acme Mail is immeasurably faster at reading and reacting to mail than the bloat I need to use as a mailer: Thunderbird; and less buggy. Sadly, I could choose my mailer, in this case, but mailman queue moderation in Plan 9 is just not viable unless I code my own tool chest for that and I just have too many higher priority tasks to do that. It nags me, just not enough. So, why is my main workstation a Plan 9 one? I think the most significant reason may well be that a top-of-the-line Apple laptop is way beyond my means; I rage against Apple, yet I have seen too many people I respect switch to Apple and even though I believe the reason is fashion rather than practicality, I cannot stop the suspicion that the only barrier to me capitulating too is my lack of funds. So, that bit aside, a native Plan 9 environment is what I enjoy developing small prototype tools (software tools), which is what I mostly do for a living, in Go. Big screen, fast reaction on old hardware, seamless compilations and testing and, best of all, platform independence (also "it keeps me honest"). And Go has so many native libraries, I can play with PostgreSQL or OpenLDAP and many other foreign services without touching Linux for hours on end (no open Windows, here, with really, really rare exceptions). There is a middling list of improvements I would like, some needing hard work (Go's Shiny), some in the middle (proper SSH functionality, native to Plan 9 - I haven't had a chance to mess with Go's options), and some trivial (vmx is a recent discovery, I haven't had the time to set up a working, integrated instance of 9front, upas or similar is the pressing one). But it all helps me keep my sanity and that makes up for a lot of shortcomings. Lucio. On 6/14/18, 刘宇宝 wrote: > Compared to "not for you", "don't care", "intend to not be successful", I > like more the topic of cat-v irc channel on freenode set by aiju: "fun > fact: you can use multiple operating systems at the same time". > > Certainly Plan 9 can't replace Linux/macOS/BSD/Windows, I'm still curious > its upper bound for a sensible daily usage, and the best practice from you > happy experienced Plan 9 users. > > I checked mail headers in this mailing list, seems all use Apple Mail, > iPhone Mail, WebMail with AJAX, Gmail(a lot), ProtonMail, these emails went > through Postfix and Exim servers, probably on Linux. > > In great harmony, we use kinds of operating system and kinds of software on > them. > > Regards, > Yubao Liu > >> On Jun 14, 2018, at 10:53 AM, N. S. Montanaro wrote: >> >> I think a lot of people discover Plan 9 and want it to be something it >> isn’t, rather than stumble upon it out of necessity. As the FQA says, >> “Plan 9 is not for you." > > -- Lucio De Re 2 Piet Retief St Kestell (Eastern Free State) 9860 South Africa Ph.: +27 58 653 1433 Cell: +27 83 251 5824 FAX: +27 58 653 1435